The Zaishen Chest - Guild Wars Forums

George Smashington · Jun 20, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10

So since I've started this game I've been farming gold and spending the money on Zkeys in the hopes of getting an Everlasting Tonic. I must've opened the chest a good 100 times and all I ever get is pretty much crap.

I'm wondering how many more times you guys think I'll have to open the chest before I get an EL drop.

Braxton619 · Jun 20, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

1/1000 chance

LicensedLuny · Jun 20, 2009, 07:30 AM // 07:30

As I understand it, the odds of that chest giving an everlasting tonic are EXTREMELY low, like way less than 0.1% chance. They're trying to track the chest drop rates on wiki and they don't even bother counting EL tonic because there's no way they can get a large enough sample to determine the EL odds with any certainty.

If you're only in it for the everlasting tonic to keep for yourself, I'd say you're better off saving your gold and buying one from someone else. If you're doing this hoping to get an everlasting tonic to sell for profit, you'd be better off just keeping your money and saving up for whatever it is you do want.

And I think 1/1000 chance is way too high, or the prices for these wouldn't be as high as they are.

George Smashington · Jun 20, 2009, 07:33 AM // 07:33

Wow jesus... I fell like I've been robbed haha

lewis91 · Jun 20, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20

Ive used 685 key (worked out by how many points ive got) I had my EL drop around 300ish mark. My friend used his first ever set of 20 keys, and got an EL drop and 3 elite tomes...

I use 20 keys get roughly 9 crap golds, 3 white tomes, most notably sin and rit tomes. and then the rest creme brulees and alcohol.

G_MAGNUS · Jun 20, 2009, 08:25 AM // 08:25

Odds are, if you want a specific drop like EL tonics, it'll be cheaper to just buy them. Zchest is there for title, the good drops are just a nice and rare bonus.

Saph · Jun 20, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

The Zchest is a gamble, so chances are it may be awhile before you get a EL tonic, if ever. I've personally used about 250 zkeys with nothing too 'omg spazztastic'. But as long as the Creme Brulees and Firewaters are at a minimal I'm content.

Marxon Aurion · Jun 20, 2009, 09:50 AM // 09:50

I've opened the Zchest 1195 and I got 2 EL drops in total. The first one (Abbysal) was at about 500-700 I think. The second one was last month (1100 something).

Aussie Boy · Jun 20, 2009, 11:44 AM // 11:44

I have used 213 keys and have had 3 Everlasting tonics. O.o
PS I always use my lucky char ( superstitious am I or what? lol ) cause that char got a mini polar bear drop from winterday chest last time.
So maybe try a char that you think seams to get better drops playing you never know.

Taixen · Jun 20, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47

260 odd here, best drop has been 2 elite tomes ^^

Xeros Rex · Jun 20, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57

I have used 400 and got nothing but crappy golds and creme brulees alcohol my only best drops have been 5 elite tomes and 1 celestial compass so theres a big chance you not getting what you expect

Island Guardian · Jun 20, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32

the chest is a lottery. One can open it 1000 times and never get a tonic. Its a gamble which 9\10 times will not make you rich. If anything it will get a small amount of your debt back. If you are seriously looking to get rich dont waste your time on the chest buy your own tonic and move on

Dante the Warlord · Jun 20, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

lol if you wanted an EL you could have just bought it with the 100 keys yu had (depending on which tonic obviously). Most of them are within that price range anyways.

Champen · Jun 20, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

im zrank 7 (~7,5k points ~ 1,5k keys) and have never gotten an EL tonic

TheodenKing · Jun 20, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

Funny thing about the El tonics is: Now that Nicholas is so frequently giving away mysterious tonics, how valuable do you really think your EL tonic is when you are likely to run into 1 or 2 kunevangs daily in any given outpost, in addition to dozens of other tonics? Think about it. You go into town and decide to use your EL Phantasmal. Oh gee... theres a beetle here... and a Norn... and a rainbow phoenix... and a skeleton dog, and so on. The fun wears off fairly quickly.

The Air Revenger · Jun 20, 2009, 01:34 PM // 13:34

im r5 zaishen *over 560 keys used* and have never seen one drop.

dilan155 · Jun 20, 2009, 02:10 PM // 14:10

its a gamble, but the chances for an EL is fairly low, hence the reason they are so expensive, your better off selling the zkeys then either buying the EL, if you want one, or buying w/e you wanted to buy with the money you wouldve gotten from selling the EL.

Johny bravo · Jun 20, 2009, 02:19 PM // 14:19

my first 7 keys got me an EL abominable tonic. I am currently working on r4 haven't seen another.

Icy The Mage · Jun 20, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

I've used over 2000 keys and have not gotten a voltaic spear, everlasting, or anything short of a q10 draconic aegis x.x

Don't expect to get one :P

Neo Nugget · Jun 20, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42

Well I'm rank 5, and have had no everlasting tonics. All luck of the draw.

Jun 20, 2009, 07:10 AM // 07:10	#1
George Smashington Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009 Guild: The Ones Who See Profession: W/	The Zaishen Chest So since I've started this game I've been farming gold and spending the money on Zkeys in the hopes of getting an Everlasting Tonic. I must've opened the chest a good 100 times and all I ever get is pretty much crap. I'm wondering how many more times you guys think I'll have to open the chest before I get an EL drop.

Jun 20, 2009, 11:44 AM // 11:44	#9
Aussie Boy Alcoholic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Profession: W/	I have used 213 keys and have had 3 Everlasting tonics. O.o PS I always use my lucky char ( superstitious am I or what? lol ) cause that char got a mini polar bear drop from winterday chest last time. So maybe try a char that you think seams to get better drops playing you never know. Last edited by Aussie Boy; Jun 20, 2009 at 11:46 AM // 11:46..

Jun 20, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#20
Neo Nugget Site Contributor Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: R/	Well I'm rank 5, and have had no everlasting tonics. All luck of the draw. __________________ "Even if the morrow is barren of promises, nothing shall forestall my return."

Jun 20, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27	#2
Braxton619 Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2008 Profession: A/W	1/1000 chance

Jun 20, 2009, 07:30 AM // 07:30	#3
LicensedLuny Badly Influenced Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread) Guild: Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish	As I understand it, the odds of that chest giving an everlasting tonic are EXTREMELY low, like way less than 0.1% chance. They're trying to track the chest drop rates on wiki and they don't even bother counting EL tonic because there's no way they can get a large enough sample to determine the EL odds with any certainty. If you're only in it for the everlasting tonic to keep for yourself, I'd say you're better off saving your gold and buying one from someone else. If you're doing this hoping to get an everlasting tonic to sell for profit, you'd be better off just keeping your money and saving up for whatever it is you do want. And I think 1/1000 chance is way too high, or the prices for these wouldn't be as high as they are.

Jun 20, 2009, 07:33 AM // 07:33	#4
George Smashington Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2009 Guild: The Ones Who See Profession: W/	Wow jesus... I fell like I've been robbed haha

Jun 20, 2009, 08:20 AM // 08:20	#5
lewis91 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wales Guild: Order of the Azurelight[OA] Profession: E/	Ive used 685 key (worked out by how many points ive got) I had my EL drop around 300ish mark. My friend used his first ever set of 20 keys, and got an EL drop and 3 elite tomes... I use 20 keys get roughly 9 crap golds, 3 white tomes, most notably sin and rit tomes. and then the rest creme brulees and alcohol.

Jun 20, 2009, 08:25 AM // 08:25	#6
G_MAGNUS Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: La Legion Del Dragon [LD] Profession: W/	Odds are, if you want a specific drop like EL tonics, it'll be cheaper to just buy them. Zchest is there for title, the good drops are just a nice and rare bonus.

Jun 20, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21	#7
Saph Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2009 Profession: R/	The Zchest is a gamble, so chances are it may be awhile before you get a EL tonic, if ever. I've personally used about 250 zkeys with nothing too 'omg spazztastic'. But as long as the Creme Brulees and Firewaters are at a minimal I'm content.

Jun 20, 2009, 09:50 AM // 09:50	#8
Marxon Aurion Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In my 40/40. Guild: Brave And Strong Guild [FGJ]	I've opened the Zchest 1195 and I got 2 EL drops in total. The first one (Abbysal) was at about 500-700 I think. The second one was last month (1100 something).

Jun 20, 2009, 11:47 AM // 11:47	#10
Taixen Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: England Profession: A/	260 odd here, best drop has been 2 elite tomes ^^

Jun 20, 2009, 11:57 AM // 11:57	#11
Xeros Rex Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UnderWorld Guild: Absence Of Light [AoL] Profession: Mo/Me	I have used 400 and got nothing but crappy golds and creme brulees alcohol my only best drops have been 5 elite tomes and 1 celestial compass so theres a big chance you not getting what you expect

Jun 20, 2009, 12:32 PM // 12:32	#12
Island Guardian Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kam AD1 farming ^^ Guild: Do it for [FAME] Profession: W/E	the chest is a lottery. One can open it 1000 times and never get a tonic. Its a gamble which 9\10 times will not make you rich. If anything it will get a small amount of your debt back. If you are seriously looking to get rich dont waste your time on the chest buy your own tonic and move on

Jun 20, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59	#13
Dante the Warlord Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: W/R	lol if you wanted an EL you could have just bought it with the 100 keys yu had (depending on which tonic obviously). Most of them are within that price range anyways.

Jun 20, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12	#14
Champen Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denmark Guild: Warlords Of The Underworld [WoTU] Profession: E/P	im zrank 7 (~7,5k points ~ 1,5k keys) and have never gotten an EL tonic

Jun 20, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12	#15
TheodenKing Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: DoA Guild: Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk) Profession: N/Me	Funny thing about the El tonics is: Now that Nicholas is so frequently giving away mysterious tonics, how valuable do you really think your EL tonic is when you are likely to run into 1 or 2 kunevangs daily in any given outpost, in addition to dozens of other tonics? Think about it. You go into town and decide to use your EL Phantasmal. Oh gee... theres a beetle here... and a Norn... and a rainbow phoenix... and a skeleton dog, and so on. The fun wears off fairly quickly.

Jun 20, 2009, 01:34 PM // 13:34	#16
The Air Revenger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: Looking For TA Guild! Profession: W/	im r5 zaishen over 560 keys used and have never seen one drop.

Jun 20, 2009, 02:10 PM // 14:10	#17
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	its a gamble, but the chances for an EL is fairly low, hence the reason they are so expensive, your better off selling the zkeys then either buying the EL, if you want one, or buying w/e you wanted to buy with the money you wouldve gotten from selling the EL.

Jun 20, 2009, 02:19 PM // 14:19	#18
Johny bravo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2006 Guild: [SoS] Profession: N/	my first 7 keys got me an EL abominable tonic. I am currently working on r4 haven't seen another.

Jun 20, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#19
Icy The Mage Forge Runner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Profession: E/	I've used over 2000 keys and have not gotten a voltaic spear, everlasting, or anything short of a q10 draconic aegis x.x Don't expect to get one :P